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Could this work on Jefferson Avenue?
01/08/2018 12:00 PM by Gustavo S.
What do you think? It’s working in St. Louis, could it work here?
This particular configuration, where the bollards are placed in the roadbed to make car turns tighter and shorten crossing distances, is relatively new for St. Louis. Some people may not like the way they look, but the globes are a cost-effective solution to dangerously designed streets.
I am picturing a GRTC bus lodged on each one of those orbs
Insert useless commenting about people wanting to put their.. ba… nvm
I thought the headline was in reference to the building! Where would these go on Jefferson, hypothetically?
The problem on Jefferson Avenue is that the circles they made are too small to impede traffic flow so people coming down Jefferson Ave do not yield at the circles. They were shoehorned into the existing street design as to not have to change any of the other curbs (read as city was too cheap to do it correctly), so they are not true traffic circles and do not fulfill the function of traffic circles as a result. As someone who lives on the 700 block of 24th street and often goes around that circle either by car or by foot, I do not presume that traffic is going to give me the right of way even though it should since it is a traffic circle and marked crosswalks. The circles were a poorly thought out design for those intersections and even poorer execution on the city’s part, which should hardly be surprising.
No, this isnt a damn traffic circle. The only true circles in the city are on monument because they actually had money put into the upkeep, etc
The circles were built too small in diameter to be effective. Rookie mistake. Why Richmond? Why?
I don’t think this would work at night…
I see a lot of damaged cars from speeders and drunk drivers.
I mean. I like the thought. Don’t love the look. These balls would need to go through CAR also. 😉
Again – is the idea to put a circle of these around the traffic circles? If so, I don’t think that would work. The center islands in most of the circles are too small to force traffic to slow down.
However, without making the circle radius larger, putting bollards in (effectively, larger center islands) will just make it difficult for larger vehicles (including emergency vehicles) to traverse the circle.
There is one thing the city has done at the Jefferson and 25th street circle that might help at the others. There is a ring of cobblestone that is slightly raised or angled around the center island. This encourages traffic to take a wider path around the circle without making it difficult for larger vehicles to get through the intersection. Perhaps the same treatment might help at the other circles? Or maybe repave the entire intersection with cobbles – I suspect that would slow at least some people down.
The circles are too small, but pinching around the corners of adjoining streets can make them function better. Like Monument and Allen. Or like Jefferson and M.
Yet they were installed by a veteran traffic engineer (not the one currently employed by the city).
People are too stupid to figure out what we already have. You put this here and people’s heads will explode.
Brian…Totally agree. People can’t drive around the circles, now. Check out the smashed trees, and see what I mean. Let’s put the street back to the way it was and leave well enough alone.
now you know why we can’t have plows
#9 and 10 – That might work. CAR could use some balls.
No body knows what to do once that get to the traffic circle. Plus no one in VA knows what yield means
@8 that’s a pretty good argument to put em in then!
@16 mary… 😀 LOL… so true!
@17 Angela Wagner Costa… it isn’t just Richmond. This is state and national as well and stems from social demographics, mainly the “all about me” “I have to be first”, totally self-gratifying and mostly distracted Millenial society we have become. They don’t care about rules of the roads. They make their own as they go at the risk of others.
I have always said that whenever you need to have your driver’s license renewed (what, every 10 years?), that you should be made to retake the driver’s manual test. Wonder how many people would flunk it?
I am not sure how it is done today but 40+ years ago when I first got my license, I had to take driver’s education in school, which included driving on a course and the road. Taking a driver’s course test (in your car) at DMV as well as the written test. I still remember all of the rules of the road because of the intense training.
If it will ‘help’ people drive in the neighborhood, then ill support it.
As far as tighter turns with the bollards, that is a peeve of mine, where too many people want to cut corners at intersections and will cut off others pulling up to them. Seems they have forgotten how to slow down, yield or stop, and make a proper turn from the middle of the intersection.
They also seem to have forgotten how to pull up to the white painted line at an intersection (front bumper is supposed to be over or behind it) and also do not make a proper stop at a stop sign… with many piggybacking on the car in front of them. That is illegal by the way and considered a “rolling stop”.
Drunk cyclists slumped over concrete orbs. Sleeping.