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Oakwood Heights at CAR
Today’s CAR meeting went off to a packed room. I came in just after 4PM into an ongoing meeting and 6 members of the CAR at a table in a horshoe around a podium and a screen & projector.
A few smaller issues were discussed and resolved or not, and then last on the agenda was a discussion of the proposed Oakwood Heights condo development. The commitee was being asked to consider 2 things today: to review the relocation of the lone house on Broad Street, and the construction of the condominiums.
This particular piece of the meeting began with Ryan Ramsey presenting an update on the status of the POD. He stated that they’d seen no definitive materials or colors for the elevations. The POD is “pretty good”, though, as far as zoning goes; there are some outstanding issues with permits and public works, uses of/plans for for alley. The Fire Deptartment is ok with access. Lacking definitative comments, transportation seems to be ok. The area is zoned R-53.
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Tyler Potterfield then spoke to the criteria/guidelines for moving the lonely house on Broad Street. He stated that this was possibly the first relocation request the commission has received, and that the criteria seems to be met. Matt Elmes, chair of the CAR, pointed out that moving the house removes last example of original vernacular at the end of the block, pointing out that Jefferson Mews worked around existing houses.
In response, Spenser Dryser (of Baskerville Architects), speaking for the applicant, replied that “it’s not infill if it is the last house left”. He said that they’d considered end-capping the development with the house, but “once it is moved, it is moved”. He described moving the house to the next block as filling a hole and allowing for a new construction that can more readily meet CAR guidelines.
Tyler Potterfield introduced the more complex issue, the new contruction of the condos, asking “Is the proposal compatible with neighborhood? How is this to be interpreted?” The proposal is of a development of attached housing, but at a higher density (allowed by current zoning), and a detached affect can be attained.
Spencer Dryser & (guy whose name I did not get) from Fulton Hill Properties spoke to new construction: parking is under structures, off of Broad and Marshall; trash and parking pushed back under structures; scale, height, massing to match neighborhood; trying to foster density but to mask, set up as rowhouses; looking at sustaintable issues, as model for fitting and being low use on resources (parking, run-off).
This was followed by a process of wrangling to make sense of the elevations, clarification questions about grade and fences and yards.
Matt Elmes pointed out that it would be helpful to see more detail than presented (for widows, handrails, materials). This was echoed later, with CAR members saying that final approval would be very difficult without a more specific materials list; need more materials descriptions, more elevations; show building in context of street; maybe a model. It sounded like they may not be able to provide even a conceptual approval with out more detail, more views related to context.
The floor was then opened up for public comment. One person, Frank Wood, stood in favor of the development. Wood identified hinself as the man that sold the property to Margaret. He declared that the house to be moved is not significant, and had seen dubious renovation “about 20 years ago”. He owns property adjacent, and sees the development as a bonus.
The bulk of the rest of the room indicated that they were opposed to the development:
- Neighbors for Compatible Development; spoke to traffic, curb cuts, the development in much detail; neighbors feel cut out of the process; need to maintain historic integrity.
- It sets a bad precedent to be moving houses around. (ELMES: We consider every case individually, do not set precent).
- Jim Daab, president of the CHA: Until 2 weeks ago, neighborhood association had no idea that this was in the works. Every other development has tried to meet beforehand, “people in the neighborhood feel like they are being railroaded”.
- People on the block have had the same landscape for 50 years.
- They are asking for 4 new driveway cuts? also — the house that could be moved is an identical “sister” house to the 4 across the street. Again, the developer has not tried to work with the neighborhood. Parking *will* be a problem.
- What was the original intent of the CAR guidelines? Respect historic layout, as this is what original infrastructire was designed for. You can not overlook the macrodetail of the layout of the community. Can we all put condos in our backyards? Developer has abused the process…
- The city’s Master Plan calls for single family housing in the area. The current zoning is archaic, and the developer is taking advantage of the “stale zoning” in trying to get this approved before the zoning changes.
After public discussion closed, the CAR board discussed the issues amongst themselves, with much of the discussion being focussed on the moving of the house. Individual members declared that they have issues with the project’s density and appropriateness; others have no issues with the hight/density and stand by the current zoning. The design itself, it’s lack of detail, and perceived vehicular-centric design were at issue.
The board decided to deferr on both parts of the application.
John, this is an great example of your WONDERFUL REPORTING! Thanks so much! Incredible that you captured this much, and it’s right here to see, for folks like me who couldn’t make it to the meeting. THANK YOU JOHN MURDEN INTREPID REPORTER!!!!
I was there and I just want to commend the neighbors who spoke. Everyone was levelheaded and factual and did not go for the emotional. It was a good indication of how mature this neighborhood is becoming and what can be accomplished when we band together. I was happy to see that the Executive Director of Historic Richmond Foundation spoke in opposition to the development. While that organization has been around for a long time and may have a reputation of being stoggy (sp?), it is a good resource that is often forgotten. I think everyone, except the architect, felt that the plan was an abomination. Let’s keep up the pressure, and let’s everyone attend the Church Hill Association meeting on January 15th when this group is supposed to make a presentation.
I understand that Frank Wood’s wife is Lisa Wood, and she is a member is the CAR. Can you spell conflict of interest?! Actually, that’s no conflict – they are married so they have NO conflict about this!
wric8 has a short video on this and promises more on their 11PM broadcast.
nbc12 has this with video, too.
I heard clearly from the CAR members that they had serious issues with the proposed development. Members made comments along the lines of “it looks like something along I95” and “it would fit right in among VCU’s new buildings”. Others noted that there were no similar structures in the neighborhood, that they had issues with how new roads proposed would impact existing residents, and how the design “looked like a college dormitory”.
CAR also clearly indicated their discomfort with moving a historic building – doing so members said, would “destroy the street vernacular” and because the relocation was not to save the building, in fact, standards for historic building demolition would need to be applied.
In the end, CAR deferred the decision so that the developers could address their questions. All in all, I heard loud and clearly from CAR that the architects need to go back to the drawing board and submit a design that is more appropriate for this site. CAR members encouraged the developer to work with neighborhood on the building design so that a mutual agreement could be reached.
The architects, who were presenting a design apparently devloped by a company that Ms. Freuend fired recently, did their best to communicate plans that were very complicated, difficult to read, and lacking in illustration to CAR. The new architects have agreed to come to the Church Hill Association meeting on Tuesday, January 15th to discuss the proposed development.
All in all, I feel that CAR did a great job of communicating their concerns to the developer while at the same time keeping an open mind and encouraging the developer to address their concerns as well as to work with the neighbors to find an appropriate plan for this site.
The next step is to wait and see how the architects and Ms. Freund will respond.
What is the consensus of what everyone would like to see develop there, given current zoning? Is it affordable? Is it probable given market conditions? I am impressed with the local awareness and concern.
If someone owns the land and wants to spend the money developing it per the zoning it is designated for, whether the market is right or not, i say let them have at it, so long as it looks and works with the existing neighborhood. i think development of that area could work with maybe half of what they are proposing.
In this weak real estate market, the best bet would be affordable single family homes which mirror the architecture of the current properties. Several modular homes, that don’t appear to be modular, are going up over on Idlewood Ave. and are selling well in the $220,000 price range. One was given an ACORN award the last time around. Why any developer would even think that there is a market for more condos is difficult to comprehend. Fulton Hill Properties owns the old school building at 33rd and Marshall. If she wants condos so badly, let her convert the boarded up building she already owns.
For reference, check the Oregon Hill blog for October 5th. There is a picture of the Idlewood house which would fit in very well on the Broad or Marshall vacant lots.
John, could you bring that picture over to CHPN?
610 Idlewood wins ACORN Golden Hammer (10/5/07)
See, that’s much better! Adding 33-66 extra people, along w/their cars and trash, does not fit on our end of the street at all.
Yes, but it would be a lot more profitable 🙂
More profitable for whom?
And the 3rd round will be held in the 5th floor conference room of City Hall Tuesday, January 22nd beginning at 4pm.
Did this proposal show up on the CHA UHC meetings this week? Somebody told me this development has been given approval – is this true?
They did show up but I’m not sure of the outcome from the member vote as it was not made that night.
So far that I know it has not been approved by CAR but has been by the city under current zoning rights nad so forth.
The developer is making another run at CAR tomorrow, Tuesday 22nd. The meeting starts at 4:00, but it looks like there is a lot of stuff on the agenda before Oakwood. One of the board members was checking out the site again over the weekend and stressed how much difference having us show up at the meeting makes. To that end, please come if you can. Thanks.
I have heard from a friend that attended the CAR meeting today (1-22-08), that the board denied, in full, the Oakwood Heights Condo development!
Here is a write-up of the most recent CAR meeting.