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Shockoe shooting victim is local, has died (UPDATED)
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Victim Identified in Farmer’s Market Death Investigation
The Richmond Police Department has identified one of the victims in this morning’s triple shooting as Robert D. Turner Jr., 26, of the 2300 block of Fairfield Avenue.
Shortly before 3 a.m. this morning, police were called to the intersection of North 17th and East Franklin Streets for a report of two persons down. When officers arrived, they located two victims, a male and a female, suffering from non-life threatening gunshot wounds. They were transported to a local hospital.
While units were at the scene, another call was received for a person shot. The third victim, a male, was transported in a personal vehicle to a local hospital with life-threatening injuries. The victim, identified as Robert Turner, later succumbed to his injuries and was pronounced dead at the hospital.
The Medical Examiner will determine cause and manner of death.
“This shooting occurred when many patrons were leaving establishments in the Shockoe Bottom area,” said Capt. James Laino. “If you saw anything or have any information, we need to hear from you.”
Detectives are currently looking into this incident as a death investigation. No additional information is available at this time.
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ORIGINAL 6/18/2017 10:10AM
WTVR is reporting a triple shooting at around 3:00 AM today in Shockoe Bottom near the Famers Market, with one of the victims sustaining life-threatening wounds.
Jesus can it jut stop already
So surprised…………NOT!
Most likely not
One dead two wounded. 36 homicides for the year and 110 shootings. Richmond will more than likely end the first 6 months with a homicide rate of 40 per 100,000 . This is subsatanially higher than the previous year of 19 per 100,000. Richmond will more than likely end the year with 80-100 homicides total. This ratio will more than likely put Richmond in atleast the top 5 highest murder rates in the country. Last year #1 St. Louis 59.3 , #2 Baltimore 51.2 , #3 Detroit 44.9, #4 New Orleans 44.5 #5 Cleveland 35.5 (This year Richmond Virginia will take the #5 spot if trend continues)
Please note that the Police are calling this a death investigation, not a hoimicide.
From the RPD:
Victim Identified in Farmer’s Market Death Investigation
The Richmond Police Department has identified one of the victims in this morning’s triple shooting as Robert D. Turner Jr., 26, of the 2300 block of Fairfield Avenue.
Shortly before 3 a.m. this morning, police were called to the intersection of North 17th and East Franklin Streets for a report of two persons down. When officers arrived, they located two victims, a male and a female, suffering from non-life threatening gunshot wounds. They were transported to a local hospital.
While units were at the scene, another call was received for a person shot. The third victim, a male, was transported in a personal vehicle to a local hospital with life-threatening injuries. The victim, identified as Robert Turner, later succumbed to his injuries and was pronounced dead at the hospital.
The Medical Examiner will determine cause and manner of death.
“This shooting occurred when many patrons were leaving establishments in the Shockoe Bottom area,” said Capt. James Laino. “If you saw anything or have any information, we need to hear from you.”
Detectives are currently looking into this incident as a death investigation. No additional information is available at this time.
Anyone with information about this death investigation is asked to call Major Crimes Detective J. Bridges at (804) 646-4494 or contact Crime Stoppers at 780-1000 or at http://www.7801000.com.
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@J – Where are you getting your numbers from?
RPD shows 26 homicides for the year (http://www.richmondgov.com/Police/MajorCrimes.aspx)
Our count has 29 homicides (the RPD count does not include Trooper Michael Walter, or Tanna D. Gardner and Sharayne Danielle Nichole Holland (http://www.richmond.com/local/crime/two-women-killed-in-i–shooting-in-richmond/article_616c443d-95c6-5371-ac4c-213b496884ef.html)
We show 35 *killings* in the city in 2017, including incidents classified as homicides, death investigation, involuntary manslaughter, and killed by police. (https://chpn.net/maps/richmond_murder_2016.php)
Highly suspicious how many “death investigations” there have been in the city this year. Pretty sure RPD is trying to keep the murder stats down and is being dirty about it. How are the killings listed by John not murders? Pretty sure almost all other cities would classify some of these death investigations as homicides
@tittyjiggler300 – I’ve reached out to RPD seeking clarification, will share out what I get back
Thank you. I’m not understanding how things like strangling your wife to death (the armfield rd. Killing) can result in a charge of voluntary manslaughter instead of murder or plain self defense.
I am pretty sure it’s 36 homicides because the recent teenager killed on the northside in a triple shooting was #35 reference RTD, nbc 12, wtkr6, and news 8. It’s simple, like the other commenter mentioned (the police are trying to fudge the numbers). All year they have been saying crime is not going up, but with all these double, triple, and quadruple shootings who is telling the truth? It does not take rocket science to figure out what is going on either. The FEDS and Local police shut down Mosby Courts so the thugs that was making money and dealing drugs moved to other RRHA coumunities and non RRHA communities throughout Richmond. Just look at creighton. There was a shooting almost everyday last week!! Then there was Whitcomb, again almost a shooting everyday last week!! Two communities that was quite all year now have shootings everyday. How strange! I will say it again for the last time. Richmond has a homegrown vs national gang problem. Basically the city has crips and bloods spread out city wide among neighborhoods. Example: There maybe 5 bloods living in Mosby, Whitcomb, creihgton for a total of 15 bloods. Those same neighborhoods have crews also. The crew in Whitcomb has problem with a blood in Mosby so they shoot Mosby up. Mosby bloods retaliates against Whitcomb. Whitcomb crews do not like the fact it’s bloods in there neighborhood so they decide to shoot a blood that’s living within there same neighborhood for retaliation and betrayal. Basically the city is in a cluster f*ck. I am just giving examples. The same thing happens in Baltimore.
@j – can you provide a link to one of the articles with that number 35?
@JohnM
Link: http://wtvr.com/2017/06/16/jacquesha-clanton-obit-1/
“Thursday night’s shooting marks the 105th shooting in the city in 2017, compared to 76 at this time last year, according to police sources.
Police are investigating the incident as a homicide. There were more than 40 shell casings found at the crime scene, and police sources said gang activity is suspected. The shooter remains on the run.
Clanton’s death is the 35th homicide this year and she was the third teen to die in within 10 days. This year six teens have died, four of those teens died in double homicides.”
@j – thank you
I’ve written to the reporter at ch6 to see how they got to that number. It seems like a real stretch. Again, I’ll share out what I hear back.
Jackie Kruszewski at Style has a tracking list going and has the same 35 incidents that I have.
2017 in Richmond
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1bQM0mg5p0Ke-9FQgG9_vdFg6c_E&ll=37.5219428930452%2C-77.48503269453124&z=12
@J- your information on the # of local gangs is downright frightening. Any thoughts on a solution you can pass along to Chief Durham? Thanks.
I would like to point out that “Thursday night’s shooting marks the 105th shooting in the city in 2017” from the WTVR report could mean 2 things.
Either thats total of people shot or total number of shooting incidents with a victim. The number seems low, especially if they are comparing it to 76 at this point last year. We are nearly half way through the year and there were 229 total shooting victims last year. There has been many multi victim shootings this year.
My guess is thats incidents with a victim not total number of persons shot.
When there is a dead body it is normally a death investigation until ruled homicide. Though it does seem that RPD is stretching it out a little this year.
@4 Last year (2016) Richmond’s homicide rate was substantially worse than 19. It was 28 per 100,000, essentially a tie or just under Chicago. 2015 was more like 19 per 100,000
@9 I agree with you but that victim is still included in the number if people murdered(homicide) regardless of the charge. Plus additional charges could pending.
RTD homicide database has the city at like 35 or 36 homicides once you count the last two. (It hasn’t been updated for a few weeks, last i checked)
A clarification from the RPD…
The RPD’s open case page shows 26 homicides for the year (http://www.richmondgov.com/Police/MajorCrimes.aspx), but does not include Trooper Michael Walter, or Tanna D. Gardner and Sharayne Danielle Nichole Holland.
Regarding that, Gene Lepley with RPD Public Affairs says this:
The three homicides you mention are being investigated by the Virginia State Police.
Those homicides did occur within the city limits but:
1. The I-95 corridor is the perview of the VSP,
2. Special Agent Walter is with the VSP;
hence, they are NOT listed as being investigated by the RPD.
We only post homicides we are investigating – in keeping with the Uniform Crime Report (UCR) protocols maintained by the FBI. Otherwise, those three homicides would be reported twice to the FBI – by the RPD and the VSP.
Also, to list them would be to imply we have information about those homicides, which we don’t and would be unable to provide, if asked.
In summary:
The three homicides in question occurred in the city and we would appreciate all media list those as well, since we don’t.
@tittyjiggler300
They are showing 24 as of right now: http://eservices.ci.richmond.va.us/applications/crimeinfo/index.asp
Wonder if RPD still excludes reporting crimes in VCU, whatever that area encompasses. I know RPD did not include it in their statistics several years ago — rationale being VCU has their own security force — so I’m curious whether it’s different now.
Gene Lepley, any answer for this?
Its all a numbers game, gotta love statistics…
So if its really 24, then we have some FAKE NEWS here in Richmond.
@ray – without passing that back up the chain, I’d imagine that reporting from VCU would be the same as VSP, yes
@Daniel – it’s been my experience that the RPD database doesn’t update as quickly as it could. They say 24 there, the Major Crimes website says 26 (http://www.richmondgov.com/Police/MajorCrimes.aspx).
Yeah i think it’s safe to say richmond city is being very shady and misleading about reporting crime. Hopefully this will eventually be brought to the public’s attention
This seems pretty straightforward. The “media” is aggregating data from several sources to give a the public a clearer picture. I wouldn’t expect VSP, RPD, or VCUPD to report metrics for the other agencies. I would expect media orgs to be able to explain their sourcing which they seem willing to do. All that said, the picture being painted in the aggregate is not a good one.
@sharon. I agree with your comments directed towards j. Ive been reading his,J, comments for a while on this site regarding gangs in the city. A lot of the comments he makes aren’t true, very few of them are true.
J, if you have so much information about gangs in the city, why aren’t you telling the police? You say that it’s five bloods living in Mosby. How do you know that? How do you know what is going on in the streets if you’re not involved in some level? That’s detailed information. Who are these five gang members? Your information seems in depth, and if you know this, why aren’t you telling the proper authorities?
I live a few blocks from Whitcomb and Mosby, and I have friends there that I see sometimes. The murder that took place on Ambrose the other week, I know the residents who lived in that apartment. I knew them for six years, and they come to my house sometimes. They weren’t gang members. I’m not going to say their names on this site.
Yes there are gangs in Richmond, but I think that your painting a picture about the murders in this city that’s misleading. You can’t compare Richmond to Chicago. In Chicago you have gangs on on every corner that goes 100 blocks deep. I believe that you’re fascinated by gang culture, that’s why you speak about it so much, but a lot of the murders in this city come from poor people fighting for resources, and disrespect, not because you’re in a different set, or have a different gang flag.
No offense, but you’re wrong on so many levels.
@Sharon
Richmond bloods with lots of assault rifles.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tMNjBZqTyUM
@ Will Hall
Let me correct you. There is no such thing has 100 gangs in 100 blocks of Chicago in fact it’s the other way around. Richmond, D.C. , Baltimore traditionally has many crews or block gangs in a small area of blocks. Chicago on the other hands has one gang controlling entire areas of the city. “Why aren’t you telling police?” Why tell the police something they already know? In fact it’s them that said that a lot of the violence is coming from social media. The example of social media they are talking about I have link above!
Here are your Mosby Court Bloods (there not very hard to find! In fact they seem to be looking for attention.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hfV3aSFLNvw
Hillside Court Crips
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lr4M1yxXcIk
004 Crew (homegrown gang)
They have a rap video also with many assault rifles. When I find it I will post it!
004 gang murders
https://www.google.com/amp/wtvr.com/2017/03/20/crime-down-in-rva-after-arrests-of-alleged-gang-members-crime-insider/amp/
If there is one thing I do not like about Virginian people is the fact they live in the state of denial. Apparently killings and shootings is not a Richmond thing it’s a Chicago, LA, New York or that happens in Baltimore but not in Richmond thing. Give me a break… Richmond is historically one of the main murder capitals of the United States wether you like it or not. Historical records prove this. You can research the numbers as far back as the 1930’s. Even then Richmond had a high murder rate for that era. Everyone on planet earth knows historically D.C. and Richmond has been worst than Baltimore and that the city has been abnormal after the riots.
If you guys need anymore evidence just subscribe to whoever posted those videos! 100’s of videos of what’s going on in the streets of Richmond. And if any of you remember the Facebook shooting that happen in Norfolk that was robbery/retaliation against bloods members as well and ended up with taunts in social media.
@ Will Hall
I think you may have taken J’s example wrong. I didn’t take it as specific info that he is witness to. I feel that he was trying to show 1 example with fictional numbers of how quickly locals and nationals can start to battle. Makes since if you take it as just a possibility. And i’m sure he didn’t come up with it out of thin air. And yes you can compare Richmond to Chicago, its fact it cant be disputed our numbers per capita are near identical. We’re just scaled down size wise. Which means all these bad dudes that claim different affiliations have to live on top of each other. But lets not forget the media made Chicago out to be a war-zone which is not exactly true. The war-zone is places like St. Louis, New Orleans, & Baltimore.
No one is comparing Richmond to New Orleans….yet
And J is definitely right about 1 thing. Mosby got real quiet but Creighton picked up the slack the next week, and Whitcomb the next.
When the media is tracking murders I think it is wholly appropriate to aggregate all the murders in city limits. Whether RPD, State Police, Feds or VCU security are performing the investigation. I don’t really care if VSP had jurisdiction because the incident was in the “I-95 corridor”. If it is in Richmond city limits it is a Richmond murder to people who aren’t playing the stats game.
Given that, I tend to believe the WTVR count cited by J is likely a more accurate overall number.
Of course it is still an inexact science comparing our per capita murder rate to other cities as those cities are also playing the jurisdiction and stats games. But needless to say our rate is high and probably among the highest even if the exact rank is disputable.
Two things I will inject here – 1) VCU is a police department, not security and 2) VCU does often handle their own campus crimes but when it is a homicide, it falls under RPD.
@ Paul
Exactly, well said! I guess those murders that happend in the City of Mosby where added to the RRHA police departments stats also. Because if the city has only had 24-26 homicides that would put the city on pace to end the year at 52 homicides which is less than the previous year of 60. Richmond and it’s FAKE NEWS.
Other cities don’t do this near as much from what I’ve seen.
Y’alls conspiracy talk about statistics is funny. specially because your numbers are pretty much same publically available through the media. Which is where we get information from.
The murder rate in richmond has been quite good for a number of years. Last year was a big change. Probably shouldn’t have underfunded the RPD by as much as we did for as long as we did. Right or wrong, I blame Mayor Jones for that.
And re J shouting about international versus county gangs whenever a crime occurs…
if ever you do have information that the specific crime in question is gang related, I certainly want to know. Your continued assumption that near every crime is about block gangs versus the mid Atlantic regional gangs is kind of weird. Some are and some aren’t, yes? And if truth matters, then let’s do that truth thing. Because a lot of crime around where I live is not gang related. Drugs and people and guns and kids, yes. Gang stuff, sometimes.
Way to many. Where are the parents to these kids and why are teenagers on the streets that late? Don’t we have curfews for kids being on the streets after hours. Start putting the parents in jail with their kids for the weekend. Maybe they will pull their pants up and start being parents. Stop blaming the police for the problem . Remember it starts at home.